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Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` #10084688 06/23/14 07:10 PM
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Stopped this am on way to dentist, trying new rod/reel combo, Abu Garcia. Anyway, tied on a brand new top water KVD lure using a little different knot for me anyhow, Improved Cinch knot.
Set the 'fall' for the lure, threw a few times. Then while setting the 'magnetic
drag' on the left of reel, cast out.....only to see my lure literally 'flying away'.

Only then to realize, my 'new' knot had just come untied and there went the lure!
Arghhhhhhh........
The only thing I can think of is that I didn't 'wet and cinch' down the knot but, I know I did (at least I think I did, cinch it??
Thinking I will go back to and never stray from the time proven Palomar Knot!
Anyone else have 'knot tying' nightmares? frkazoid
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Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Lee in Texas] #10084705 06/23/14 07:15 PM
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I tie 1 knot 99% of time and I have never known it to actually fail.

Sounds like you did not get the tag end through the correct loop and off into the wild blue yonder your bait went.



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Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Lee in Texas] #10084707 06/23/14 07:16 PM
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If you don't get it tied correctly it breaks easily. You made a mistake somewhere.You should get the topwater back.


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Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Lee in Texas] #10084714 06/23/14 07:18 PM
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Been using imp. clinch since I started tying my own hooks and lures, never had an issue with the knot other than with braid and it slipping sometimes but that is solved with a dot of superglue.


All my lures are tied with either palomar or imp clinch knot.

Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Douglas J] #10084716 06/23/14 07:18 PM
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Probably right. Sinking feeling after just thinking, "Man, that was a great cast!" Only to realize...yep, it's gone!
I was/am checking http://www.netknots.com/fishing_knots for the 'correct way' ...guess I didn't do such a good job at tying it as I thought.
Good catch in what went wrong even without having been there to see. LOL, you probably would have laughed your butt off.
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I tie 1 knot 99% of time and I have never known it to actually fail.

Sounds like you did not get the tag end through the correct loop and off into the wild blue yonder your bait went.



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Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Lee in Texas] #10084719 06/23/14 07:20 PM
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Being a fairly new fisherman I use that knot almost exclusively. Works well for me. You just need to give a tug after you have tightened. Sometimes it will slip if tied wrong.

Learned the hard way using it with braid when I lost a big un.

I know there are better knots and I have started using the Palomar more.

Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Lee in Texas] #10084728 06/23/14 07:23 PM
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Improves cinch is quick and easy... 5 turn sandiego jam is almost as easy and stronger. No knot tied correctly will just cast off though. We've all fumbled one at some point or another though, don't sweat it. Better to tie a lousy knot and cast a bait off than tie a lousy knot and watch an amazing fish fly off with the lure IMO


The worst is during a frenzied tournament retie and you go to clip tag end and clip main line and just want to throw a tackle box into the lake...

Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Lee in Texas] #10084761 06/23/14 07:39 PM
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blush It was braid and i did not pull it tight enough. Another lesson learned the hard way!
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Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Lee in Texas] #10084791 06/23/14 07:51 PM
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San Diego Jam is the knot for me.

DId you get your top water back???


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Originally Posted By: Doug R.
I tie 1 knot 99% of time and I have never known it to actually fail.

Sounds like you did not get the tag end through the correct loop and off into the wild blue yonder your bait went.



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Same here..

However if you were using braid, I wouldn't recommend that knot without using super glue.
A double wrap palomar is best IMO for all braid knots..

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If it was a top water lure it should've floated! And palomar knot only when using braid


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Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Lee in Texas] #10084851 06/23/14 08:12 PM
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frkazoid Well, it did float but, away and I was pressed for time to get to the darn dentist.
Good points...thanks all.....
Like the signature line says, 'new/old fisherman'...LOL
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Double palomar for braid. Never lost a fish with it!


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Stick with the palomar knot! Don't fix it if it ain't broke!



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Originally Posted By: Lee in Texas
blush It was braid and i did not pull it tight enough. Another lesson learned the hard way!
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I don't use super glue and all I use is braid. Just tie a knot in the tag end and cut the excess.

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I agree, you must have made a mistake when you looped it back in on the improved part. I have never had a issue with the knot, even with braid. But the standard cinch knot will come untied at times. I've never had a problem with the Palomar knot either except it is hard to tie with very small flies or eye hooks. Otherwise, it is much easier to use.

Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Lee in Texas] #10085016 06/23/14 09:08 PM
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I tie that knot for Florocarbon and had 1 failure in the past 5 years that I have been tying it. Must have missed a step, It happens...


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Pretty much any cinch knot will or can slip with braid. I only use Palomar with braid. If you insist on using a cinch knot with braid put a little superglue on it. . .then it won't slip.

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I tie a know similar the San Diego knot. That and a palomar most of the time.

There is another I can tie with my eyes closed in about 20 seconds after I've run the line through the eye. I'm sure under scrutiny and tested against the palomar and my other knot it would not be as strong but it does not break that I notice.

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Originally Posted By: Doug R.
I tie 1 knot 99% of time and I have never known it to actually fail.

Sounds like you did not get the tag end through the correct loop and off into the wild blue yonder your bait went.



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Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Lee in Texas] #10085596 06/24/14 01:08 AM
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Been using that knot ever since I started fishing as a kid. Only knot I knew how to tie up until I started using Flourocarbon a yr or so ago. Now we use the San Diego Jam knot. Then I started trying braid so we switched to the Berkley braid knot I think its called. All in all I use 3 knots depending on the type of line I'm using.


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Improved clinch is all I use for mono for gosh... Since I was 5 lol

Palmour knot for braid... SD jam is a great knot too

Must've missed something tying it; solid knot

Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Lee in Texas] #10085757 06/24/14 02:00 AM
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blush Yep, ya'll are pretty much right. It was my first attempt, must have bungled it. I knew it looked too easy. I was just going to practice a few times....
Well, paid the price for my own 'ineptness'.
Thanks for the advice and suggestions....
frkazoid The picture of the dogs face I'm sure is pretty much how I looked when I saw it flying away....
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Any knot can fail if tied wrong. The improved clinch will do what is expected when tied & lubricated right. I've had every knot fail, all my fault...

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It was the first knot I learned, but once I learned the palomar knot I stopped using it out of pure laziness.

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Originally Posted By: pYr8
Any knot can fail if tied wrong. The improved clinch will do what is expected when tied & lubricated right. I've had every knot fail, all my fault...
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lee when you find a good knot that works for you like a good woman.....stay with it grin
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Originally Posted By: Doug R.
I tie 1 knot 99% of time and I have never known it to actually fail.

Sounds like you did not get the tag end through the correct loop and off into the wild blue yonder your bait went.



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The improved clinch is very easy to tie correctly (in the dark) been tying it for 50+ years. Over the years I have tried pretty much every knot there is and still find myself coming back to the IC. When testing knots on a line test fixture, we found that it was the most consistent knot we could tie. The Palomar was usually stronger breaking at 90-95% of the line rating then one would occasionally give away at far less. The IC broke around 85%, every time. I think the difference is that in cinching down the Palomar, we would occasionally get the 2 strands that go around the hook eye crossed. That's not the fault of the Palomar but the person tying it. When testing, I could tie the IC without looking, even with eyes closed and it was absolutely consistent. In my world consistency is king. Although I don't use it, I find the San Diego Jam equally as easy to tie and to be extremely consistent. If I'd been using it 50 years as I have the IC, I'd feel comfortable using it at night, without ever looking at it. For braid the IC was a miserable failure, it would slip regardless of the number of wraps. Super glue helped somewhat but the results were not consistent. I use the Palomar exclusively for braid.


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That's the only knot I use and always have. I have a hard time breaking the knot. Give it another shot, Lee. It's a great knot!

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Works fine for me

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I had the same thing happen to me with a crank bait once. I think mine somehow worked it's way through the split ring.
I went to Palomar on the hard baits after that but i don't think the IC Knot failed. it could have also been I missed a loop.


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IC is the only knot I use except for braid.

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LOL, ok, GOT IT! I screwed it up but, in any case going back to palomar knot.
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Wouldn't use the Clinch knot improved or not for nothing. San Diego Jam for hard baits and Palomar for jigs, T-Rig, or weightless.

Lee when are you going go fishing and post up some fish pics Sir! stir

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But, I haven't caught a 'picture' yet to post.... frkazoid
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Well, I've been reading this and I've watched EVERY knot tied on that knot tying website and I think I've discovered something interesting. I think I tie a knot that may not have a name?? I don't even know who taught it to me. I have tied dozens of knots in my years of fishing. I spent most of my life with the palamar and the improved clinch........but when I got serious about fishing and started fishing more fluorocarbon, I found that I must stink at tying a palamar slowly or wetly enough to consistently be reliable. WAYYYY too many break offs at the knot when setting the hook on a fish within 20 feet of the boat. Probably my fault, but just ticked me off. And I wet the [censored] out of the line and pull tight slowly EVERY time. But, I stink at it clearly!!

Sooooooooooo.............100 years ago or so, I went to a knot that I'd show you, but I'm too dumb to video or photo and post. So, here's a bubba's attempt to explain. I'm curious if you guys think this knot has a name. Cuz, I can't find it anywhere. Here goes.....

I take the tag end through the eye. Bring it back up, and pinch the tag end with the tip of my forefinger and thumb, leaving like 12 inches of tag end line hanging loose. I have the main line also pinched near the bend of my thumb to hold it in place. But the bend of the tag end is near my finger and thumb tips, about to form a loop in a second. Now, I have the bait hanging 5 inches or so below. I take my right hand on the tag end end and spin the bait and make 8-9 loops around the doubled line just above the bait, in between the bait and my fingers holding the line. This forms a little loop at my fingertips with the tag end portion above the looping. After 9 loops, I run the tag end through that little loop at the top, THEN through the longer loop that I just formed by running the tag end from the last of the 9 loops around the double line up to the top loop in my fingertips. So, up and through that top loop, then reach a right hand pointer finger over and bend that tag end down and push back to my palm and through the loop that just ran up alongside all 9 "wraps".

I don't know if this knot has a name. But if there are millionaire people on here that fish and everybody reading this all try it and agree it's never been tried before and now ALL agree it's the best and most efficient, easiest to tie, and strongest knot EVER....like I think..............AND it's a new tournament winning, make you better looking, tougher, and richer kinda person..............I'd like the knot to be called the "Yancey Knot" and I'd like the royalty checks to be sent towards St. Louis!!!

In reality, I'm sure it's a regular knot, but I'd like to know the name of it, so I can stop telling my friends it's called the "stupid knot I tie that never fails and I can't remember who taught me knot".

Tight lines all!!!!
Yancey

Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Lee in Texas] #10097252 06/28/14 03:08 AM
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Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Yancey] #10097262 06/28/14 03:11 AM
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That's the Yancey knot. Post a YouTube video showing how it's done.

Originally Posted By: Yancey
Well, I've been reading this and I've watched EVERY knot tied on that knot tying website and I think I've discovered something interesting. I think I tie a knot that may not have a name?? I don't even know who taught it to me. I have tied dozens of knots in my years of fishing. I spent most of my life with the palamar and the improved clinch........but when I got serious about fishing and started fishing more fluorocarbon, I found that I must stink at tying a palamar slowly or wetly enough to consistently be reliable. WAYYYY too many break offs at the knot when setting the hook on a fish within 20 feet of the boat. Probably my fault, but just ticked me off. And I wet the [censored] out of the line and pull tight slowly EVERY time. But, I stink at it clearly!!

Sooooooooooo.............100 years ago or so, I went to a knot that I'd show you, but I'm too dumb to video or photo and post. So, here's a bubba's attempt to explain. I'm curious if you guys think this knot has a name. Cuz, I can't find it anywhere. Here goes.....

I take the tag end through the eye. Bring it back up, and pinch the tag end with the tip of my forefinger and thumb, leaving like 12 inches of tag end line hanging loose. I have the main line also pinched near the bend of my thumb to hold it in place. But the bend of the tag end is near my finger and thumb tips, about to form a loop in a second. Now, I have the bait hanging 5 inches or so below. I take my right hand on the tag end end and spin the bait and make 8-9 loops around the doubled line just above the bait, in between the bait and my fingers holding the line. This forms a little loop at my fingertips with the tag end portion above the looping. After 9 loops, I run the tag end through that little loop at the top, THEN through the longer loop that I just formed by running the tag end from the last of the 9 loops around the double line up to the top loop in my fingertips. So, up and through that top loop, then reach a right hand pointer finger over and bend that tag end down and push back to my palm and through the loop that just ran up alongside all 9 "wraps".

I don't know if this knot has a name. But if there are millionaire people on here that fish and everybody reading this all try it and agree it's never been tried before and now ALL agree it's the best and most efficient, easiest to tie, and strongest knot EVER....like I think..............AND it's a new tournament winning, make you better looking, tougher, and richer kinda person..............I'd like the knot to be called the "Yancey Knot" and I'd like the royalty checks to be sent towards St. Louis!!!

In reality, I'm sure it's a regular knot, but I'd like to know the name of it, so I can stop telling my friends it's called the "stupid knot I tie that never fails and I can't remember who taught me knot".

Tight lines all!!!!
Yancey

Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Lee in Texas] #10097267 06/28/14 03:13 AM
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If that's for me..............thanks........but not it. I take the tag end through a loop that doesn't exist in this picture...............cuz it's at the to when you loop from top to bottom, towards the hook, and THEN through the side longer loop that's in the bottom picture by the "A". It's like an upside down I.C.

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I was just showing how the clinch knot it's tied wasn't meant towards you.

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I use the Palomar knot most of the time and the San Diego Jam knot for larger baits so I don't have a large loop with the Palomar to go over the bait.

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Re: Fishing Knot: "Improved Cinch Knot" ...Not For ME! ` [Re: Yancey] #10097574 06/28/14 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted By: Yancey
Well, I've been reading this and I've watched EVERY knot tied on that knot tying website and I think I've discovered something interesting. I think I tie a knot that may not have a name?? I don't even know who taught it to me. I have tied dozens of knots in my years of fishing. I spent most of my life with the palamar and the improved clinch........but when I got serious about fishing and started fishing more fluorocarbon, I found that I must stink at tying a palamar slowly or wetly enough to consistently be reliable. WAYYYY too many break offs at the knot when setting the hook on a fish within 20 feet of the boat. Probably my fault, but just ticked me off. And I wet the [censored] out of the line and pull tight slowly EVERY time. But, I stink at it clearly!!

Sooooooooooo.............100 years ago or so, I went to a knot that I'd show you, but I'm too dumb to video or photo and post. So, here's a bubba's attempt to explain. I'm curious if you guys think this knot has a name. Cuz, I can't find it anywhere. Here goes.....

I take the tag end through the eye. Bring it back up, and pinch the tag end with the tip of my forefinger and thumb, leaving like 12 inches of tag end line hanging loose. I have the main line also pinched near the bend of my thumb to hold it in place. But the bend of the tag end is near my finger and thumb tips, about to form a loop in a second. Now, I have the bait hanging 5 inches or so below. I take my right hand on the tag end end and spin the bait and make 8-9 loops around the doubled line just above the bait, in between the bait and my fingers holding the line. This forms a little loop at my fingertips with the tag end portion above the looping. After 9 loops, I run the tag end through that little loop at the top, THEN through the longer loop that I just formed by running the tag end from the last of the 9 loops around the double line up to the top loop in my fingertips. So, up and through that top loop, then reach a right hand pointer finger over and bend that tag end down and push back to my palm and through the loop that just ran up alongside all 9 "wraps".

I don't know if this knot has a name. But if there are millionaire people on here that fish and everybody reading this all try it and agree it's never been tried before and now ALL agree it's the best and most efficient, easiest to tie, and strongest knot EVER....like I think..............AND it's a new tournament winning, make you better looking, tougher, and richer kinda person..............I'd like the knot to be called the "Yancey Knot" and I'd like the royalty checks to be sent towards St. Louis!!!

In reality, I'm sure it's a regular knot, but I'd like to know the name of it, so I can stop telling my friends it's called the "stupid knot I tie that never fails and I can't remember who taught me knot".

Tight lines all!!!!
Yancey


Sounds more complicated than the San Diego Jam knot which is a very good knot.

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Improved clinch is all I use with flouro. Palomar for braid



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Originally Posted By: PlanoGuy
That's the Yancey knot. Post a YouTube video showing how it's done.

Originally Posted By: Yancey
Well, I've been reading this and I've watched EVERY knot tied on that knot tying website and I think I've discovered something interesting. I think I tie a knot that may not have a name?? I don't even know who taught it to me. I have tied dozens of knots in my years of fishing. I spent most of my life with the palamar and the improved clinch........but when I got serious about fishing and started fishing more fluorocarbon, I found that I must stink at tying a palamar slowly or wetly enough to consistently be reliable. WAYYYY too many break offs at the knot when setting the hook on a fish within 20 feet of the boat. Probably my fault, but just ticked me off. And I wet the [censored] out of the line and pull tight slowly EVERY time. But, I stink at it clearly!!

Sooooooooooo.............100 years ago or so, I went to a knot that I'd show you, but I'm too dumb to video or photo and post. So, here's a bubba's attempt to explain. I'm curious if you guys think this knot has a name. Cuz, I can't find it anywhere. Here goes.....

I take the tag end through the eye. Bring it back up, and pinch the tag end with the tip of my forefinger and thumb, leaving like 12 inches of tag end line hanging loose. I have the main line also pinched near the bend of my thumb to hold it in place. But the bend of the tag end is near my finger and thumb tips, about to form a loop in a second. Now, I have the bait hanging 5 inches or so below. I take my right hand on the tag end end and spin the bait and make 8-9 loops around the doubled line just above the bait, in between the bait and my fingers holding the line. This forms a little loop at my fingertips with the tag end portion above the looping. After 9 loops, I run the tag end through that little loop at the top, THEN through the longer loop that I just formed by running the tag end from the last of the 9 loops around the double line up to the top loop in my fingertips. So, up and through that top loop, then reach a right hand pointer finger over and bend that tag end down and push back to my palm and through the loop that just ran up alongside all 9 "wraps".

I don't know if this knot has a name. But if there are millionaire people on here that fish and everybody reading this all try it and agree it's never been tried before and now ALL agree it's the best and most efficient, easiest to tie, and strongest knot EVER....like I think..............AND it's a new tournament winning, make you better looking, tougher, and richer kinda person..............I'd like the knot to be called the "Yancey Knot" and I'd like the royalty checks to be sent towards St. Louis!!!

In reality, I'm sure it's a regular knot, but I'd like to know the name of it, so I can stop telling my friends it's called the "stupid knot I tie that never fails and I can't remember who taught me knot".

Tight lines all!!!!
Yancey


Not sure but what I tie sounds close to the "Yancy". I run the line through hook eye and then hold it and the main line between my index and thumb. With the tag end in my left hand I swing the lure(and doubled line) around the tag line about 5 or 6 times then run the tag end through the loop formed at my finger tips. Wet it and snug it up. Always thought I was tying some sort of clinch but now not sure. Tied it for 40 years and can't remember a failure. Now that I think about it seems like it may be a knot named after some fishing line company?

Nope...not a trilene knot (my variation is the chancy)

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